I mean, what's the point in trying to explain what has been obvious for some time now - that England are essentially a team devoid of ideas, inspiration and leadership.
What I will say is this:
- that had to be just about the worst quality game of rugby I've witnessed in a long, long time;
- I honestly believe that it was the worst performance by England for well over 20 years (and that's saying something considering some of the dross we've been served up in recent years);
- If Brian Ashton sticks with largely the same group of players for the Ireland match next Saturday then, whatever the result, he deserves to go, along with his coaching team.